The Parcells tree has wide branches
Belichick, Crennel, Weis, Mangini among list of Tuna's disciples
Updated: 11:03 p.m. CT Sept 1, 2006
by MSNBC Sports
When Bill Belichick is asked to identify the coaches who influenced him, he begins with Ted Marchibroda and tacks on a list of relative unknowns, including, of course, his father Steve, a career assistant at Navy who died last November.
The name Parcells is never uttered, at least not this century. For Belichick and Bill Parcells, who spawned one of the NFL’s most successful coaching trees, have been on very different wavelengths since Belichick split from the Jets and his one-time mentor in 2000.
But the ice has melted a bit lately. The two most successful members of the Tuna Tree, who barely acknowledged each other for six years, are now a little chummier, chatting from time to time this summer in a limited way about workings of the 3-4 defense and how to run a practice.
“I don’t want to tell you this was a lengthy conversation,” Parcells said this week. “But I have talked to him say 4-5 times in the last month. He’s a guy I think a lot of. He knows what my problems are. It’s a good sounding board, that’s all. I’m probably using him right now more than he’s using me.”
That might help Parcells. Belichick’s Patriots have won three Super Bowls in the last five years and the Tuna, now in Dallas, hasn’t won a title — with three different teams — since he got his second ring after the 1990 season with the Giants.
That date is significant, because that team from the Meadowlands spawned one of the most successful coaching trees in the NFL and the upper echelons of college football.
It goes back to 1975, when Parcells hooked up with another young assistant at Texas Tech named Romeo Crennel. But it flows from that 1990 team that beat Buffalo 20-19 in the Super Bowl remembered most for Scott Norwood’s missed field goal in the final seconds.
Crennel, now trying to rebuild a Cleveland franchise that was reborn into chaos in 1999, is one of seven head coaches from that staff.
Roll call: Parcells, Belichick, Tom Coughlin (85-75 lifetime with the Jaguars and Giants), Crennel, Al Groh (Jets and Virginia), Charlie Weis (Notre Dame) and Ray Handley (Giants 1991-92). Plus Ron Ehrhardt, who coached the Patriots from 1979-81 — his 1980 staff included a young linebackers coach who in that year was given the nickname “Tuna” by his players.
Handley is the only clunker in there, going 14-18 in two seasons with a team that included Lawrence Taylor, Phil Simms and a bunch of other veterans from that second Super Bowl winner. For one year, Maurice Carthon, now Crennel’s offensive coordinator in Cleveland, was a running back under Handley. Pepper Johnson, now Belichick’s defensive line coach in New England, played linebacker in New York back then.
Two more eventual head coaches, perhaps.
There are, of course, other great coaching trees, notably the one that traces back to Bill Walsh, architect and coach of the San Francisco 49ers who, with Parcells’ Giants and Joe Gibbs’ Redskins, dominated the NFC — and the NFL — during the 1980s.
Walsh turned over the 49ers to George Seifert in 1989, and Seifert won two Super Bowls.
But the bigger group of graduates was spawned through Mike Holmgren, the offensive coordinator on the later Walsh teams. Holmgren’s Green Bay staff included future head coaches Ray Rhodes (who began with Walsh), Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, Mike Sherman and Marty Mornhinweg (the Ray Handley of that group.)
Walsh worked for Brown in Cincinnati, and even Parcells has ties to Brown through George Young, who gave him his first NFL head coaching job with the Giants in 1983.
Young’s first job in football was with Don Shula, first in Baltimore and then in Miami until he got the GM’s job in New York in 1979. Shula has always credited his coaching career to Brown, who also ran the Cincinnati Bengals almost until his death in 1991.
But the Tuna Tree is unique in a number of ways beyond its on-field success.
For one thing, its members set similar rules, such as putting assistants off limits to the media much of the time. Weis, notably, often sounds like Parcells, often adding “OK” to emphasize a point.
“Several people say it and especially my wife,” Weis said after he was hired by Notre Dame. “It’s not exactly the same but, really, I’m from Jersey, he’s from Jersey. ... He’s earned the right to bust chops with the media. So I have to pick and choose my spots and be more tactful, because people are like, ’What have you ever done?”’
The latest graduate of the Tuna Tree is 35-year-old Eric Mangini, who this year became head coach of the Jets. Mangini, who like Belichick graduated from Wesleyan in Connecticut, began as an intern for Belichick in Cleveland in 1995; worked for Parcells on the Jets from 1997-99, then went with Belichick to New England. He is more a product of Belichick than Parcells, having finally worked his way up to defensive coordinator for the Patriots last year when Crennel left for Cleveland.
For a long time, the perception was that Parcells and Belichick were joined at the hip. Belichick first achieved prominence as the 34-year-old defensive coordinator of the 1986 Giants, one of the great teams of the ’80s. He went on to Cleveland after the Super Bowl victory following the 1990 season, but was just 37-45 there before being fired when the team moved to Baltimore after the 1995 season.
Then Belichick rejoined Parcells in New England and later went with him to the Jets with the assurance that he would be the Tuna’s heir. He was — for a day — before deciding he didn’t want the job and moving on to the Patriots.
Neither man has talked about it, but the general perception is that Belichick wanted to get out from under the Tuna’s shadow — Parcells remained as the Jets’ director of football operations. Belichick wasn’t free to join the Patriots until a settlement was reached with the Jets that included a first-round draft choice as compensation.
Many people considered his hiring a strange choice by the Patriots, given Belichick’s flop in Cleveland.
“I just thought he was one of the smartest people I’d ever met,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft says of Belichick, who he hired despite calls from respected football people telling him it was a bad choice.
It wasn’t. Belichick’s three Super Bowls in four years earned him the “genius” label easily given but rarely lived up to, except perhaps by Walsh.
Belichick’s proteges think he’s in that category.
“I wouldn’t mind being considered a genius,” said Crennel, who actually is five years older than Belichick. “I might not be there yet, but I can work towards that.”
At this point, the tree is as much Belichick’s as Parcells — just as Holmgren spawned most of the Walsh-bred coaches.
Weis, a glorified gofer on the 1990 Giants, became a star offensive coordinator as the Patriots won their Super Bowls. Crennel, defensive line coach on the Giants in the ’80s, became the same on defense — even as a coordinator under a defensive coach.
But it varies.
Coughlin never worked for Belichick and still is very close to Parcells, who has called him “the best coach I ever was associated with.” In 2003, after being fired by Jacksonville and before being hired by the Giants, Coughlin spent part of his summer in the Dallas training camp, exchanging ideas with his old boss.They remain close, but as division rivals they don’t help each other out any more.
In hindsight, it’s easy to suggest that Belichick was the key to Parcells’ success with the Giants.
Look at tapes of the 2002 Super Bowl, when the Patriots, 14-point underdogs, upset an explosive St. Louis team.
New England’s defense in that game was eerily similar to the one the Giants used 11 years earlier against an equally skilled Buffalo team. Often no more than one or two down lineman and as many as seven defensive backs were on the field. And just as the Giants conceded the run to Thurman Thomas in that ’91 game, the Patriots dared Mike Martz to run Marshall Faulk, and he didn’t — until it was too late.
In the end, call it a very productive collaboration between two extremely talented football men.
They’ll never be pals: Belichick will never go deep-sea fishing with Parcells or accompany him to Saratoga — two of the Tuna’s passions. And Parcells will probably never go with Belichick to a Bon Jovi concert.
But their new relationship is build on common football interests.
“He knows what my problems are. He’s someone to talk to about what are you going to do here and what are you thinking about there,” Parcells says.
And, perhaps, to talk about a new batch of up-and-coming coaches.
Updated: 11:03 p.m. CT Sept 1, 2006
by MSNBC Sports
When Bill Belichick is asked to identify the coaches who influenced him, he begins with Ted Marchibroda and tacks on a list of relative unknowns, including, of course, his father Steve, a career assistant at Navy who died last November.
The name Parcells is never uttered, at least not this century. For Belichick and Bill Parcells, who spawned one of the NFL’s most successful coaching trees, have been on very different wavelengths since Belichick split from the Jets and his one-time mentor in 2000.
But the ice has melted a bit lately. The two most successful members of the Tuna Tree, who barely acknowledged each other for six years, are now a little chummier, chatting from time to time this summer in a limited way about workings of the 3-4 defense and how to run a practice.
“I don’t want to tell you this was a lengthy conversation,” Parcells said this week. “But I have talked to him say 4-5 times in the last month. He’s a guy I think a lot of. He knows what my problems are. It’s a good sounding board, that’s all. I’m probably using him right now more than he’s using me.”
That might help Parcells. Belichick’s Patriots have won three Super Bowls in the last five years and the Tuna, now in Dallas, hasn’t won a title — with three different teams — since he got his second ring after the 1990 season with the Giants.
That date is significant, because that team from the Meadowlands spawned one of the most successful coaching trees in the NFL and the upper echelons of college football.
It goes back to 1975, when Parcells hooked up with another young assistant at Texas Tech named Romeo Crennel. But it flows from that 1990 team that beat Buffalo 20-19 in the Super Bowl remembered most for Scott Norwood’s missed field goal in the final seconds.
Crennel, now trying to rebuild a Cleveland franchise that was reborn into chaos in 1999, is one of seven head coaches from that staff.
Roll call: Parcells, Belichick, Tom Coughlin (85-75 lifetime with the Jaguars and Giants), Crennel, Al Groh (Jets and Virginia), Charlie Weis (Notre Dame) and Ray Handley (Giants 1991-92). Plus Ron Ehrhardt, who coached the Patriots from 1979-81 — his 1980 staff included a young linebackers coach who in that year was given the nickname “Tuna” by his players.
Handley is the only clunker in there, going 14-18 in two seasons with a team that included Lawrence Taylor, Phil Simms and a bunch of other veterans from that second Super Bowl winner. For one year, Maurice Carthon, now Crennel’s offensive coordinator in Cleveland, was a running back under Handley. Pepper Johnson, now Belichick’s defensive line coach in New England, played linebacker in New York back then.
Two more eventual head coaches, perhaps.
There are, of course, other great coaching trees, notably the one that traces back to Bill Walsh, architect and coach of the San Francisco 49ers who, with Parcells’ Giants and Joe Gibbs’ Redskins, dominated the NFC — and the NFL — during the 1980s.
Walsh turned over the 49ers to George Seifert in 1989, and Seifert won two Super Bowls.
But the bigger group of graduates was spawned through Mike Holmgren, the offensive coordinator on the later Walsh teams. Holmgren’s Green Bay staff included future head coaches Ray Rhodes (who began with Walsh), Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, Mike Sherman and Marty Mornhinweg (the Ray Handley of that group.)
Walsh worked for Brown in Cincinnati, and even Parcells has ties to Brown through George Young, who gave him his first NFL head coaching job with the Giants in 1983.
Young’s first job in football was with Don Shula, first in Baltimore and then in Miami until he got the GM’s job in New York in 1979. Shula has always credited his coaching career to Brown, who also ran the Cincinnati Bengals almost until his death in 1991.
But the Tuna Tree is unique in a number of ways beyond its on-field success.
For one thing, its members set similar rules, such as putting assistants off limits to the media much of the time. Weis, notably, often sounds like Parcells, often adding “OK” to emphasize a point.
“Several people say it and especially my wife,” Weis said after he was hired by Notre Dame. “It’s not exactly the same but, really, I’m from Jersey, he’s from Jersey. ... He’s earned the right to bust chops with the media. So I have to pick and choose my spots and be more tactful, because people are like, ’What have you ever done?”’
The latest graduate of the Tuna Tree is 35-year-old Eric Mangini, who this year became head coach of the Jets. Mangini, who like Belichick graduated from Wesleyan in Connecticut, began as an intern for Belichick in Cleveland in 1995; worked for Parcells on the Jets from 1997-99, then went with Belichick to New England. He is more a product of Belichick than Parcells, having finally worked his way up to defensive coordinator for the Patriots last year when Crennel left for Cleveland.
For a long time, the perception was that Parcells and Belichick were joined at the hip. Belichick first achieved prominence as the 34-year-old defensive coordinator of the 1986 Giants, one of the great teams of the ’80s. He went on to Cleveland after the Super Bowl victory following the 1990 season, but was just 37-45 there before being fired when the team moved to Baltimore after the 1995 season.
Then Belichick rejoined Parcells in New England and later went with him to the Jets with the assurance that he would be the Tuna’s heir. He was — for a day — before deciding he didn’t want the job and moving on to the Patriots.
Neither man has talked about it, but the general perception is that Belichick wanted to get out from under the Tuna’s shadow — Parcells remained as the Jets’ director of football operations. Belichick wasn’t free to join the Patriots until a settlement was reached with the Jets that included a first-round draft choice as compensation.
Many people considered his hiring a strange choice by the Patriots, given Belichick’s flop in Cleveland.
“I just thought he was one of the smartest people I’d ever met,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft says of Belichick, who he hired despite calls from respected football people telling him it was a bad choice.
It wasn’t. Belichick’s three Super Bowls in four years earned him the “genius” label easily given but rarely lived up to, except perhaps by Walsh.
Belichick’s proteges think he’s in that category.
“I wouldn’t mind being considered a genius,” said Crennel, who actually is five years older than Belichick. “I might not be there yet, but I can work towards that.”
At this point, the tree is as much Belichick’s as Parcells — just as Holmgren spawned most of the Walsh-bred coaches.
Weis, a glorified gofer on the 1990 Giants, became a star offensive coordinator as the Patriots won their Super Bowls. Crennel, defensive line coach on the Giants in the ’80s, became the same on defense — even as a coordinator under a defensive coach.
But it varies.
Coughlin never worked for Belichick and still is very close to Parcells, who has called him “the best coach I ever was associated with.” In 2003, after being fired by Jacksonville and before being hired by the Giants, Coughlin spent part of his summer in the Dallas training camp, exchanging ideas with his old boss.They remain close, but as division rivals they don’t help each other out any more.
In hindsight, it’s easy to suggest that Belichick was the key to Parcells’ success with the Giants.
Look at tapes of the 2002 Super Bowl, when the Patriots, 14-point underdogs, upset an explosive St. Louis team.
New England’s defense in that game was eerily similar to the one the Giants used 11 years earlier against an equally skilled Buffalo team. Often no more than one or two down lineman and as many as seven defensive backs were on the field. And just as the Giants conceded the run to Thurman Thomas in that ’91 game, the Patriots dared Mike Martz to run Marshall Faulk, and he didn’t — until it was too late.
In the end, call it a very productive collaboration between two extremely talented football men.
They’ll never be pals: Belichick will never go deep-sea fishing with Parcells or accompany him to Saratoga — two of the Tuna’s passions. And Parcells will probably never go with Belichick to a Bon Jovi concert.
But their new relationship is build on common football interests.
“He knows what my problems are. He’s someone to talk to about what are you going to do here and what are you thinking about there,” Parcells says.
And, perhaps, to talk about a new batch of up-and-coming coaches.
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